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Posted 13 May 2008 - 07:53 PM

Assalamualikum,

saya nak minta pendapat bapa2 & ibu2 yang ada di ittutor ini. ceritanya macamni.

saya ada 2 org anak. yg abg sekarang ni pakai susu Enfagrow A+. adik pulak pakai susu Enfalac A+. (adik still breastfeeding)

situasinya sekarang, si abang ni boleh diketegorikan seorang budak yang ligat. dari pekembangan otak dia aku berpuashati dgn daya ingatan dan respond dia. and now dia dah start boleh menyambung perkataan2 yang kita ajar.lupa nak bgtau. abg dah berumur 2 tahun adik lak baru 5 bulan.

saya personaly x da masalah dgn anak saya skrg. tapi wife saya + mak mentua saya kata yang anak saya ni aktive sgt. so diaorg suruh saya tukar susu lain. sebab depa kata susu enfagrow tu byk sgt tambahan2 yang depa fikir x perlu.

saya lebih kepada yang terbaik utk anak saya. kalau boleh semua benda. tapi bende ni saya x sure nak accept atau x pendapat wife + mak mentua saya ni.

**kalau ikutkan saya, saya suka anak2 minum susu dari family enfa* ni.

minta pendapat kawan2 sekalian.

didahulukan dgn ucapan terima kasih.

Edited by mbek, 13 May 2008 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 13 May 2008 - 10:38 PM

Bro,
Selalu orang tukar susu bukan sebab hyperactive -- tapi sebab baby have some allergies -- causing cirit,muntah,gatal2 etc.

Check this nice article
http://rileyhospital.healthology.com/main/...?content_id=250


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Understanding Formula Intolerance

With the exception of temporary, post-gastroenteritis associated lactose intolerance, most problems related to formula intolerance are caused by an allergy to specific proteins. Colic, excessive spitting-up, feeding-related irritability, rectal bleeding, diarrhea, constipation and gas are all symptoms that may be associated with protein allergy. If your baby has one of these problems, call your pediatrician or family doctor, but never assume that the formula is causing the problem. Milk-protein allergy can be definitively diagnosed only by withdrawing the suspected offending protein, observing an improvement in the baby’s condition, and then re-introducing the protein to the baby to observe the baby’s response.

Solutions
When I suspect protein allergy (either caused by cow milk or soy protein), I recommend a trial of a hydrolyzed protein formula. In these preparations, including Alimentum (Ross), Pregestimil (Mead Johnson) and Nutramigen (Mead Johnson), the protein (casein) has been broken-down into smaller units. The body’s immune system doesn’t recognize these smaller units as “foreign”, so the allergic reaction stops. A positive response is usually noted within 3 to 4 days.

Another hypoallergenic (decreased tendency to provoke allergic reaction) product on the grocery shelves is Good Start (Carnation). The protein in this formula is a partial hydrolysate derived from the whey fraction of cow milk protein. This means that a portion of the cow milk protein in the formula are broken down, so the body is less likely to have an allergic reaction. Although some babies with protein intolerance may do well on this formula, I don’t recommend Good Start as initial therapy for presumed protein allergy, since it does contain some intact (i.e. unhydrolyzed), and hence potentially allergenic, proteins.


Pasal hyperactivity related tu boleh check sini -- some relate it to sugar tapi new findings kata maybe due to some others (mostly dari junk food!)
Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperactivity

Sekarang ni dah banyak kes hyper-active, ADD, austism ni bro -- kena observe anak2 kita ni for the symptoms. Diet pemakanan pun kena aware .




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Posted 14 May 2008 - 12:07 AM

I don't know what to tell you bro, but if by choice and by quality, the best is still breast milk.
Ramai diluar tidak breast feed kerana, kekurangan susu, dan tidak berusaha nak pastikan susu ibu banyak.
Banyak cara nak banyakan susu ibu, you can go on the traditional method, makan lobak putih etc.

Or, you can drink some herbal tea,which is a lot easier that the above. Brand yg wife aku pakai, Earth Mama Angel Baby Milkmaid Tea.
It's a bit pricey, but it is worth it and it works. Memang breast milk lagi susah, but its much more healthier. Babies yang breast feed gets sick less of the time.
Susah gak breast feed, nak kena simpan susu dalam freezer, invest in the breast pump etc, but trust me,its worth it.


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Ladies and gentlemen! Well, mostly ladies… presenting Mama’s most requested organic herbal tea: Milkmaid Tea! Herbal galactagogues wrangle lethargic milk ducts in this battle for the lactating-est bosoms in the universe.

Sometimes mama’s milk needs some encouragement. Iced or hot, Milkmaid Tea is a delicious blend of herbal galactagogues, herbs traditionally used to help increase breast milk supply.

Edited by Jagermeist, 14 May 2008 - 12:09 AM.


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Posted 14 May 2008 - 11:56 AM

bro rizal,
thanxs for the links. dpt more info bila baca dari situ.

bro jag,
anak yang kecik sekali mmg breastfeeding. susu formula hanya utk kecemasan atau bantuan. wife so far x de masalah dgn susu badan dia. lebih2 lagi lepas dia ambik injection tongue.gif.

cuma yang abang dulu hanya sampai 6 bulan jer dia breastfeeding. pastu dia x sabar skit. susu lambat kuar dia marah. (1st baby, my wife waktu tu pun x tau sgt teknik2 yang sepatutnya). terus lekat kat susu formula. pakai enfa* pun sebab b4 tu test susu lain dia allergy. kuar bintik2 merah. pegi jumpa dr dia kata susu x sesuai. dia suggest pakai enfa*.

may be sebab pemakanan kut. sebab ni cucu pertama mentua saya. dia manjakan sgt. nak apa semua bg. fastfood, etc... saya nak kata jgn takut diaorg kecik ati. and sebelum ni mmg saya duduk rumah mak mentua saya. baru 2 bulan pindah sewa rumah sendiri. lepas wife abis belajar.

apa pun. thanxs utk semua suggestion. so i mmg prefer breastfeeding. susu formula hanya utk tambahan atau kecemasan sahaja. so i'll stick to my opinion. x perlu ubah susu. saya kene tgk balik corak dan cara pemakanan anak2 saya.

thanxs a lot bro.

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 05:20 PM

Macam bro Jag cakap the best is still breast milk. Anak saya yang sulung sampai la ke hari nie (dah dekat 6 bulan) masih minum susu ibu.
Tak penah pun minum susu formula. Bini cakap nak bagi banyak susu.. banyakkan makan kucai..

Pasal kes mbek nie kalau makan Enfagrow A+ mmg budak tu aktif macam anak saudara saya. Doktor penah cakap dekat kakak saya, kebanyakkan budak kalau makan susu nie mmg akan jadi cerdas + aktif. Tak tahu la betul ke tak...

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (joetheking @ May 14 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pasal kes mbek nie kalau makan Enfagrow A+ mmg budak tu aktif macam anak saudara saya. Doktor penah cakap dekat kakak saya, kebanyakkan budak kalau makan susu nie mmg akan jadi cerdas + aktif. Tak tahu la betul ke tak...

oo ada Dr. bgtau mcmtuker.. thanxs bro joe for da info.

cuma nak tau lanjut. cerdas + aktif yang elok/baik utk mereka or memudaratkan??.. sesapa yang tau or pernah terbaca kat mana2... kongsi2 kna la yerk.

thanxs in advance.

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Posted 14 May 2008 - 07:42 PM

Bro,
Hyperactive child ada symptoms and its a medical condition.
Anak saya autistic -- lain pulak ceritanya dan each cases varies.
Kat Saudi ni ada reported cases disebabkan cikgu2 tak faham -- anak murid yang hyper ni dianggap nakal -- dipaksa turun naik tangga sampai penat so dia boleh duduk diam dalam kelas. Anak kawan saya ada juga yang hyper -- memang tak boleh duduk diam dan fokus to one thing -- sekejap berlari sana, panjat , turun naik tangga , kalau orang yang tak faham maybe dicubitnya atau marah tapi sebenarnya ia adalah masalah kesihatan.

Cuba baca artikel ni untuk rujukan.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publication...blication.shtml

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Symptoms
The principal characteristics of ADHD are inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity. These symptoms appear early in a child’s life. Because many normal children may have these symptoms, but at a low level, or the symptoms may be caused by another disorder, it is important that the child receive a thorough examination and appropriate diagnosis by a well-qualified professional.

Symptoms of ADHD will appear over the course of many months, often with the symptoms of impulsiveness and hyperactivity preceding those of inattention, which may not emerge for a year or more. Different symptoms may appear in different settings, depending on the demands the situation may pose for the child’s self-control. A child who “can’t sit still” or is otherwise disruptive will be noticeable in school, but the inattentive daydreamer may be overlooked. The impulsive child who acts before thinking may be considered just a “discipline problem,” while the child who is passive or sluggish may be viewed as merely unmotivated. Yet both may have different types of ADHD. All children are sometimes restless, sometimes act without thinking, sometimes daydream the time away. When the child’s hyperactivity, distractibility, poor concentration, or impulsivity begin to affect performance in school, social relationships with other children, or behavior at home, ADHD may be suspected. But because the symptoms vary so much across settings, ADHD is not easy to diagnose. This is especially true when inattentiveness is the primary symptom.

According to the most recent version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders2 (DSM-IV-TR), there are three patterns of behavior that indicate ADHD. People with ADHD may show several signs of being consistently inattentive. They may have a pattern of being hyperactive and impulsive far more than others of their age. Or they may show all three types of behavior. This means that there are three subtypes of ADHD recognized by professionals. These are the predominantly hyperactive-impulsive type (that does not show significant inattention); the predominantly inattentive type (that does not show significant hyperactive-impulsive behavior) sometimes called ADD—an outdated term for this entire disorder; and the combined type (that displays both inattentive and hyperactive-impulsive symptoms).
Hyperactivity-Impulsivity

Hyperactive children always seem to be “on the go” or constantly in motion. They dash around touching or playing with whatever is in sight, or talk incessantly. Sitting still at dinner or during a school lesson or story can be a difficult task. They squirm and fidget in their seats or roam around the room. Or they may wiggle their feet, touch everything, or noisily tap their pencil. Hyperactive teenagers or adults may feel internally restless. They often report needing to stay busy and may try to do several things at once.

Impulsive children seem unable to curb their immediate reactions or think before they act. They will often blurt out inappropriate comments, display their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for the later consequences of their conduct. Their impulsivity may make it hard for them to wait for things they want or to take their turn in games. They may grab a toy from another child or hit when they’re upset. Even as teenagers or adults, they may impulsively choose to do things that have an immediate but small payoff rather than engage in activities that may take more effort yet provide much greater but delayed rewards.

Some signs of hyperactivity-impulsivity are:

* Feeling restless, often fidgeting with hands or feet, or squirming while seated
* Running, climbing, or leaving a seat in situations where sitting or quiet behavior is expected
* Blurting out answers before hearing the whole question
* Having difficulty waiting in line or taking turns.


Inattention

Children who are inattentive have a hard time keeping their minds on any one thing and may get bored with a task after only a few minutes. If they are doing something they really enjoy, they have no trouble paying attention. But focusing deliberate, conscious attention to organizing and completing a task or learning something new is difficult.

Homework is particularly hard for these children. They will forget to write down an assignment, or leave it at school. They will forget to bring a book home, or bring the wrong one. The homework, if finally finished, is full of errors and erasures. Homework is often accompanied by frustration for both parent and child.

The DSM-IV-TR gives these signs of inattention:

* Often becoming easily distracted by irrelevant sights and sounds
* Often failing to pay attention to details and making careless mistakes
* Rarely following instructions carefully and completely losing or forgetting things like toys, or pencils, books, and tools needed for a task
* Often skipping from one uncompleted activity to another.

Children diagnosed with the Predominantly Inattentive Type of ADHD are seldom impulsive or hyperactive, yet they have significant problems paying attention. They appear to be daydreaming, “spacey,” easily confused, slow moving, and lethargic. They may have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as other children. When the teacher gives oral or even written instructions, this child has a hard time understanding what he or she is supposed to do and makes frequent mistakes. Yet the child may sit quietly, unobtrusively, and even appear to be working but not fully attending to or understanding the task and the instructions.

These children don’t show significant problems with impulsivity and overactivity in the classroom, on the school ground, or at home. They may get along better with other children than the more impulsive and hyperactive types of ADHD, and they may not have the same sorts of social problems so common with the combined type of ADHD. So often their problems with inattention are overlooked. But they need help just as much as children with other types of ADHD, who cause more obvious problems in the classroom.

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Professionals Who Make the Diagnosis

If ADHD is suspected, to whom can the family turn? What kinds of specialists do they need?

Ideally, the diagnosis should be made by a professional in your area with training in ADHD or in the diagnosis of mental disorders. Child psychiatrists and psychologists, developmental/behavioral pediatricians, or behavioral neurologists are those most often trained in differential diagnosis. Clinical social workers may also have such training.

The family can start by talking with the child’s pediatrician or their family doctor. Some pediatricians may do the assessment themselves, but often they refer the family to an appropriate mental health specialist they know and trust. In addition, state and local agencies that serve families and children, as well as some of the volunteer organizations listed at the end of this document, can help identify appropriate specialists.
Specialty Can Diagnose ADHD Can prescribe medication, if needed Provides counseling or training
Psychiatrists yes yes yes
Psychologists yes yes* yes
Pediatricians or Family Physicians yes yes no
Neurologists yes yes no
Clinical Social workers yes no yes


Nasihat saya kalau concern to clear your mind just pi buat checkup kalau nak free pi HUKM contohnya -- saya dulu buat assesment dengan Dr. Hamidah Gleneagles.


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Posted 15 May 2008 - 10:01 AM

QUOTE (Jagermeist @ May 14 2008, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know what to tell you bro, but if by choice and by quality, the best is still breast milk.
Ramai diluar tidak breast feed kerana, kekurangan susu, dan tidak berusaha nak pastikan susu ibu banyak.
Banyak cara nak banyakan susu ibu, you can go on the traditional method, makan lobak putih etc.

Or, you can drink some herbal tea,which is a lot easier that the above. Brand yg wife aku pakai, Earth Mama Angel Baby Milkmaid Tea.
It's a bit pricey, but it is worth it and it works. Memang breast milk lagi susah, but its much more healthier. Babies yang breast feed gets sick less of the time.
Susah gak breast feed, nak kena simpan susu dalam freezer, invest in the breast pump etc, but trust me,its worth it.



Bro,

Aku brminat nak belikan tea ni kat wife aku. kat mane boleh dpt?

Thanks

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 05:44 PM

Anak lelaki saya yang berumur 4 tahun ni pun saya kira terlalu aktif juga. Mak saya cakap mcm ada spring kat bawah kaki dia, tak reti nak duduk diam. Mcm-mcm mainan dibelikan pun tak jalan. Tapi dia minum susu NESPRAY 3+ je biggrin.gif

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Posted 15 May 2008 - 10:23 PM

QUOTE (fakhrul77 @ May 15 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anak lelaki saya yang berumur 4 tahun ni pun saya kira terlalu aktif juga. Mak saya cakap mcm ada spring kat bawah kaki dia, tak reti nak duduk diam. Mcm-mcm mainan dibelikan pun tak jalan. Tapi dia minum susu NESPRAY 3+ je biggrin.gif


dari apa yg saya baca pun, susu bukan la penyebab utama(kalau ada pun x menyumbang peratusan yg tinggi) utk budak2 jadi hyper active.

saya ada bawak anak saya jumpa membe2 saya. dia Dr. Dr. sakit puan tapi. wakakkaka... dia kata anak saya bukan nya hyper active. cuma cergas semacam jer katanya. dia kata standard budak2 mcm tu la. x usah takut.

apapun saya tgh study gak bende2 related dgn budak2 ni.

kita nak yang terbaik utk anak2 kita. cuma takut kalau dalam masa nak membahagikan yang terbaik kita silap/salah percaturan. itu yg kita x nak tu.

thanxs anyway. rasa byk lg kita leh bincangkan kat sini. saya pun makin clear skit pandangan bila baca pendapat, fakta dan semua yang dibincangkan disini.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 03:44 PM

Mbek,

Boleh beli kat website2 nih, all local company yg jual..

www.momslittleones.com/catalog
www.fabulousmom.com/catalog
www.thebabyloft.com

Alhamdulillah aku tengok anak yg minum susu ibu ni jarang sakit dan pertumbuhan IQ dia cepat.
Banding dengan susu lembu or susu kacang soya.




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Posted 16 May 2008 - 05:13 PM

errr..i don't think there is necessary utk tukar susu sbb budak active.
mcm rizal ckp..tukar susu ni bila baby tak sesuai je...ada alahan dsb.

active toddlers is normal. and believed me....sampai satu masa ia akan kurang aktif dgn sendiri.
aku ada anak sedara yg giler active sampai aku garu kepala tgk keaktifannya.
but u know what..skarang dah darjah 3. dia dah stop buat aksi terlampau. suka sendirian..reading books alone and tak campur sgt dah dgn adik˛ dia yg tgh ligat bermain walaupun beza 2 tahun je dgn dia. dlm erti kata lain..mcm budak matured.

btw, aku sekeluarga guna susu Bebelac utk anak no.2 (2 yrs old). Yg abangnya 5 tahun minum Fernleaf 3+.
cuma lately aku pelik anak aku no.2 ni cirit˛...ta taula dah ta sesuai susu ke tak.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 01:03 AM

Best milk no doubt -- breast milk . Kaum ibu sekarang pun makin ramai back to basic breastfeed anak2 mereka -- tak caya pi ummikusyang punya group .. rasanya one ofthe members dulu ada yang wrote a book about it. Breast pump electric pun dah ada so working moms sekarang macam wife saya dulu ramai yang dok surau opis perah susu untuk anak2 then simpan dalam fridge. My 2nd child menyusu sampai 2+ (apa nak buek..tiap 2 tahun dapat adik baru) tak silap kurang penyakit dan umm-nya boleh mantain slim (dah stop breastfeeding badan naik balik rolleyes.gif ) so the benefit is on both sides.


Pasal anak2 tu penting kita jadi parents -- selalunya bapak ni kurang peka semua pass tanggungjawab pasal anak2 kat bini -- untuk observe the childs development. Sampai certain age dia boleh buat ni. dan itu ..
Check this out
<a href="http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/ch...evelopment.html" target="_blank">http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/ch...evelopment.html</a>

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Child Developmental Milestones
By the end of 7 months many children are able to:

* turn head when name is called
* smile back at another person
* respond to sound with sounds
* enjoy social play (such as peek-a-boo)

By the end of 1 year (12 months) many children are able to:

* use simple gestures (waving "bye-bye")
* make sounds such as "ma" and "da")
* imitate actions in their play (clap when you clap)
* respond when told "no"

By the end of 1.5 years (18 months) many children are able to:

* do simple pretend play ("talk" on a toy phone)
* point to interesting objects
* look at object when you point at it and tell them to "look!"
* use several single words unprompted

By the end of 2 years (24 months) many children are able to:

* use 2- to 4-word phrases
* follow simple instructions
* become more interested in other children
* point to object or picture when named

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By the end of 3 years (36 months) many children are able to:

* show affection for playmates
* use 4- to 5-word sentences
* imitate adults and playmates (run when other children run)
* play make-believe with dolls, animals, and people ("feed" a teddy bear)

By the end of 4 years (48 months) many children are able to:

* use 5- to 6-word sentences
* follow 3-step commands ("Get dressed. Comb your hair, and wash your face.")
* cooperate with other children

By the end of 5 years (60 months) many children are able to:

* say own name and address
* attempt to please and be like friends
* count out 10 or more objects
* understand the difference in fantasy and reality

Edited by rizal, 17 May 2008 - 08:53 PM.






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